Commons Sense

House of Commons · General Debate

BACKBENCH BUSINESS

08 September 2016 · 25 other contributors

Opened by Julian Knight Con Solihull

Summarised by AI from the official record, so it can contain mistakes.

At a glance

Julian Knight raised concerns about backbench business in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.

Key points

  • Scam artists pose a significant threat to the financial, emotional, and psychological well-being of the elderly and vulnerable.
  • The debate highlights the need for government recognition of the threat of scams and implementation of protective measures.
  • The minister acknowledges the importance of the debate and confirms the government's priority in tackling scams through various measures.

How the debate unfolded

MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said.

Opened the debate

Julian Knight Con Solihull

The motion highlights the significant threat posed by scam artists to the financial, emotional, and psychological well-being of the elderly and vulnerable. It praises the work of trading standards bodies in combating scams and calls for more mechanisms from financial institutions and communications industry to protect potential victims. The debate emphasises the need for government recognition of this threat and implementation of measures proposed by organisations such as Bournemouth University and National Trading Standards Scams Team, with a focus on reducing financial harm.

Other contributors (25)
  • Greg Knight Con East Yorkshire

    Emphasises the increasing sophistication of scam methods, highlighting the use of scanning technology and internet images to replicate logos of reputable companies, making detection more difficult.

  • Michael Tomlinson Con Wirral South

    Highlights the human cost alongside financial costs, noting that scammers target the most vulnerable in society. The average age of scamming victims is 74, and the issue is particularly relevant due to demographic profiles in many constituencies.

  • Sarah Wollaston Con Totnes

    Raises concerns about fake medicines marketed by scammers online, stressing the need for people to buy from reputable UK pharmacies and be aware of potential dangers. Such cases can lead to serious health risks beyond mere financial fraud.

  • Julian Lewis Con New Forest East

    Questions whether short-term memory loss is a significant factor in targeting victims, suggesting the importance of giving power of attorney to reliable relatives for those beginning to lose faculties.

  • Jessica Morden Lab Newport East

    Commended Julian Knight's speech and endorsed his views on building safeguards into Government schemes to prevent people from being scammed on the back of legitimate initiatives, particularly mentioning green deal scams targeting pensioners in south Wales.

  • Mark Tami Lab Alyn and Deeside

    Expressed concern over the number of people responding to scam communications, noting that once individuals respond, they often receive a high volume of further communications from abroad which cannot be intercepted, causing significant distress.

  • Patricia Gibson Lab North Ayrshire and Arran

    The cost of scamming in our society is undoubtedly huge and cannot be counted only in terms of pounds and pence, although the financial cost is significant. Scamming affects the elderly and other vulnerable members of our communities disproportionately.

  • Sarah Newton Con Penwith

    I wholeheartedly congratulate the hon. Member for North Ayrshire and Arran and my hon. Friend the Member for Solihull on securing this important debate. Tackling scams is a priority for this Government. Older people are more at risk, particularly those with dementia.

  • Julian Lewis Con New Forest East

    I thank the Minister for the interest she has taken in this issue. It is difficult to get a bank to take action unless someone has already given power of attorney, but procedures should be in place if a worried close relative asks them to monitor irregular or unusual withdrawals and let them know.

  • Sarah Newton Con Cornwall Northeast

    The Government, regulators, and private companies are responding strongly to recommendations including a new requirement for direct marketing callers to provide caller line identification. The digital economy Bill will introduce a statutory code of practice on direct marketing. There is also work being done with the Information Commissioner's Office, national trading standards scams team, British Bankers Association, Building Society Association, and others to address scam issues and protect vulnerable customers.

  • Sarah Wollaston Con Totnes

    Inquires about whether the legislation will also address fines for breaches of rules. Mentions a case where Pharmacy2U sold customer details to marketing companies, resulting in a derisory fine of £130,000.

  • Sarah Newton Con Cornwall Northeast

    Acknowledges the effectiveness and importance of trading standards services. Highlights work with Royal Mail and other postal operators to train postmen and women to spot scam letters and prevent them from reaching victims. Emphasises the establishment of a new Fundraising Regulator, enforcement measures including a joint fraud taskforce, and examples of successful interventions such as call-blocking devices in vulnerable households.

  • Justin Tomlinson Con North Swindon

    Praises the work of trading standards services in Poole and Dorset. Highlights the need for victims to come forward for successful prosecutions.

  • Sarah Newton Con Cornwall Northeast

    Reiterates support for local trading standards teams, national bodies, and funding for anti-scamming measures. Mentions ongoing work with Royal Mail and postal operators, the Fundraising Regulator, joint fraud taskforce, and call-blocking devices in vulnerable households. Emphasises the human value of such interventions by sharing a beneficiary's personal story.

  • Stuart McDonald SNP Cumbernauld Kilsyth

    Congratulates MPs for securing this debate on scams targeting vulnerable individuals, highlighting local instances and reporting mechanisms like Action Fraud. Discusses the impact of scams, including financial losses and personal distress. Emphasises raising awareness through campaigns such as ScamSmart or Know Fraud.

  • Julian Knight Con Solihull

    Acknowledges the importance of local citizens advice bureau in providing expert advice to victims of scams.

  • Stuart McDonald SNP North Ayrshire and Arran

    Encourages vulnerable individuals to challenge scams without fear of upsetting honest people. Proposes an opt-in procedure involving a 24-hour stop on significant transactions for the protection of vulnerable persons, aiming to make it impossible for them to transfer funds without scrutiny.

  • Nusrat Ghani Con Sussex Weald

    Focuses on scams targeted at elderly people. Discusses the profound concerns of older residents about scamming and presents case studies highlighting the extent of the problem in Sussex. Calls for re-categorising scams targeting the elderly as an aggravated crime, akin to elder abuse.

  • Chris Elmore Lab Bridgend

    Highlights the issue of scamming affecting Welsh communities with instances of fraudulent HMRC voicemail messages. Emphasises the need for sufficient investment in support services and law enforcement to tackle scams, especially as an ageing population makes them more vulnerable.

  • Martin Vickers Con Brigg and Immingham

    I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Solihull on securing this important debate. I have experienced constituents at my surgery tearing their hair out, almost in tears, following scams. Two cases were reported to ActionFraud, one couple lost £19,000 and another lost £38,000 from an investment scam. The response from UK authorities was unsatisfactory and did not provide much confidence. However, the New York police department responded positively and provided personal contact details for further support. I urge the government to take a more serious approach when people lose their life savings.

  • Phil Boswell SNP North Ayrshire and Arran

    Victims of scams tend to be elderly and less likely to use the web, so all mediums should be used to get the message out. One constituent received an unsolicited call for a council tax rebate service costing £69.99 but was unable to receive a refund because he used a debit card instead of a credit card. Another case involved a company offering unnecessary home services to a vulnerable couple who paid nearly £6,000 and did not own the property. This company has multiple similar names with dubious sales practices and unreliable guarantees, creating reputational risk for other companies. I urge the Minister to show leadership in coordinating a public service response to these despicable practices.

  • Mary Robinson Party Unspecified Constituency Unspecified

    Financial scamming and fraud have a devastating impact on the elderly and vulnerable, causing significant financial loss and mental distress. Scammers are highly organised, predatory, and exploitative, using new technologies to increase their sophistication. Initiatives such as the joint fraud taskforce need to address these issues and raise awareness among those at risk.

  • Mike Wood Con Kingswinford and South Staffordshire

    Dishonest individuals exploit vulnerable people through online scams, causing significant financial loss and emotional distress. The case of a family member receiving a fraudulent letter from the Serious Fraud Office highlights the seriousness of such crimes. We need to protect vulnerable people against fraudsters and involve local authorities, police, and community members in this effort.

  • Carolyn Harris Lab Neath and Swansea East

    Scamming is an increasing problem in communities, especially targeting the elderly. With the average age of a scam victim being 74 and with predictions from the Office for National Statistics that the number of elderly people will increase to more than 15 million by 2030, the potential number of scam victims could also rise. Victims often suffer financial loss and emotional distress, and one in three may fall prey to another scam within a year. Mass-mail scams alone cost between £1 billion and £5 billion annually with an average loss per person of £1,000. Trading standards services across the UK are struggling due to budget cuts, leading to a 53% decrease in officers since 2009. The current budget for these services equates to just £1.99 per person per year and only 5% of victims report crimes due to embarrassment. Regulation on the sale of personal data would reduce vulnerability. Consumer awareness is vital, but so are resources for trading standards and police cooperation.

  • Julian Knight Con Solihull

    Thanked all Members for their contributions highlighting the issue's impact on constituents and families. Welcomed the Minister to her place and acknowledged her commitment to tackling scams. Emphasised that fraud will always exist but can be mitigated through collaborative efforts from Government, private firms, third sector organisations, and wider society.

Government Response

I wholeheartedly congratulate the hon. Member for North Ayrshire and Arran and my hon. Friend the Member for Solihull on securing this important debate. Tackling scams is a priority for this Government. The Government are prioritising tackling scams and have taken various measures including new requirements for direct marketing callers, a digital economy Bill with statutory codes of practice, joint fraud taskforces, national trading standards scams team, call-blocking devices in vulnerable households, training postmen to spot scam letters, and partnerships with various organisations like the City of London police and National Crime Agency.

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