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Trial of Lucy Letby 2025-01-08
08 January 2025
Lead MP
David Davis
Debate Type
Adjournment Debate
Tags
Justice & CourtsEmployment
Other Contributors: 3
At a Glance
David Davis raised concerns about trial of lucy letby 2025-01-08 in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Lead Contributor
Opened the debate
I am not in the habit of issuing trigger warnings, but I must warn the House that this speech will cover deeply distressing events. It discusses infant deaths, failures in care, and allegations of a grave miscarriage of justice. Lucy Letby was convicted of murdering seven infants and attempting to murder seven more. This case horrified the nation initially, but after being approached by experts including statisticians, neonatal specialists, forensic scientists, legal experts, and those who had served at the Chester hospital, I became concerned about false analyses and diagnoses used to persuade a lay jury to convict Letby. The Countess of Chester hospital neonatal unit suffered an increase in deaths from 2-4 per year to 17 over a 13-month period. A Royal College of Paediatrics report noted many failings, including inadequate staffing levels and delayed escalation of concerns to tertiary units. Consultants attempted to blame Letby for these deaths based on her presence during shifts where infant deaths occurred but without other evidence or history linking her actions to the deaths. The hospital also battled a Pseudomonas aeruginosa infection around this time, posing serious risks to babies. Cheshire police consulted Professor Jane Hutton on statistical analysis but ignored advice that their approach was flawed and did not share it with the jury. Expert witness Dewi Evans provided controversial evidence based on an outdated paper and changed his opinion during the trial. Two detailed case reviews suggest suboptimal care as a cause of death, contradicting prosecution claims.
Andrew Cooper
Lab
Mid Cheshire
Asked David Davis to give way but was refused due to time constraints.
Jesse Norman
Con
Hereford and South Herefordshire
Will the Minister give way?
Torfaen
The hon. Member makes an important intervention. It is crucial that all individuals in public life feel they can speak openly with a duty of candour. The Lady Thirlwall’s inquiry will look at the culture in the NHS and support for bringing forward a Hillsborough law.
Government Response
I thank the right hon. Member for Goole and Pocklington (David Davis) for securing this debate. First, I want to acknowledge the impact on the families that any debate surrounding this case may have. As Lady Justice Thirlwall stated at the outset of her inquiry, much of this debate has come from people who were not present throughout the trial to hear the evidence in full. The parents have been waiting a long time for answers, and it is important, whatever may be said here this evening, that we agree that we must work towards delivering closure for those families, who are going through unimaginable and intolerable grief. It is an important principle of the rule of law that the Government do not interfere with judicial decisions. In this case, the Court of Appeal has carefully considered the arguments before it and delivered its judgment. Given that, and the ongoing police investigations, it would be inappropriate for me to comment on Miss Letby’s case specifically, but I will outline the principles and procedures regarding expert witnesses and appeals. First, in the area of expert evidence, the criminal procedure rules apply the common law principles that govern the admissibility of expert witness and provide a structured framework for expert witnesses and the courts to follow. They cover expert witnesses and how medical reports are commissioned, and the “Criminal Practice Directions 2023” provide detailed guidance on expert evidence. All of those are followed for every criminal proceeding where it is relevant. Like all criminal procedure rules, they are regularly reviewed by the Criminal Procedure Rule Committee. The committee is made up of legal experts appointed by the Lord Chancellor in consultation with the Lady Chief Justice, and its role is to make the criminal justice system as accessible, fair and efficient as possible. The right to a fair trial by jury in the most serious cases is a fundamental principle of the justice system. It is designed to protect the rights of the defendant and to ensure thorough examination of the evidence. That includes the presentation of evidence by both the prosecution and the defence; the examination and cross-examination of witnesses; and the impartial judgment of the jury. Where scientific evidence is presented, the judiciary utilises judicial primers written by leading scientists, peer reviewed by scientists and legal practitioners, and approved by the councils of the Royal Society and the Royal Society of Edinburgh. While I note the concerns raised about the trial process as set out, the jury considered all the evidence put before them and made their determination. Secondly, I turn to the appeals process in the criminal justice system. Following Miss Letby’s first permission to appeal application, the Court of Appeal heard legal argument over several days on a number of grounds and issued a detailed 58-page judgment setting out why permission to appeal was refused. That included the trial judge’s handling of the arguments raised by the defence as to Dr Evans’s evidence. It is not appropriate for me or the Government to comment on judicial processes, nor on the reliability of convictions or evidence. Furthermore, the criminal justice system provides a route through the Criminal Cases Review Commission for those who believe that they have been wrongfully convicted and the appeal system has been exhausted. The CCRC is an independent body, and it reviews any applications made to it according to its statutory role and procedures. Its role is to investigate cases where people believe they have been wrongly convicted and to refer cases back to the Court of Appeal where it believes that there is a real possibility of a conviction not being upheld. Miss Letby, as with any other convicted person who maintains their innocence following a refusal to appeal, is able to apply to the CCRC. The decision on whether to seek a review from the CCRC is a matter for Miss Letby and her legal team. Thirdly, it is relevant to take into account that the Thirlwall inquiry was established in October 2023, chaired by Lady Justice Thirlwall—one of the country’s most senior judges—and that that is ongoing. The inquiry is purposefully set up to be independent from Government, and it will play an important role in identifying learnings following events at the Countess of Chester hospital, contributing to the future of patient safety. The Minister did not provide an official response within the given transcript, thus no details are available regarding specific actions or funding. The importance of maintaining independent justice processes was acknowledged without undermining them. There is a commitment to work towards providing answers and closure for families impacted by such cases through the Thirlwall inquiry.
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